I Don’t Tip IYCATT (Admin) | February 25, 2013 | Community, Photos | Comments Tags:bartender, customer, restaurant, server, tip, tipping, wage, waiter, waitress, waitstaff Related Posts Oh, I’m sorry! Comments | Jan 22, 2013 Dragging Ass Comments | Nov 26, 2012 Anyone Else Think Kyle Smith Resembles A Human Version Of Grumpy Cat? Comments | Mar 4, 2013 Thank a Stupid Person Today Comments | Jan 20, 2013 August 9, 2014 at 7:02 pmTipping is Charity. The entire idea of tipping was NEVER to offset the income. It is and always has been a gift. Never expected. I have worked in the industry, and I never whined about not receiving a tip. I laugh when people say, "if you can't tip, you should not go out". Well, that show's their level of education, because they would soon be out of a job if people did that. I am a practical person, and there are many of us who do not tip. The problem is not with us patrons, it is with your employer who is stuffing his pockets with your money. Do not ask me to fix your problem. Fix it yourself by getting another job that will pay you what you want. All an owner has to do is raise the price of the menu to match the income needed for your minimum wages. I have no problem paying the menu prices, but whenever I see that forced gratuity on the menu - I won't pay the tip. I am a good patron, as I pay my bill, usually quiet, and generally leave a clean table. For those charity seekers out there, quit your whining. Either get a job that pays, or get an education. Demanding unearned money is what makes you a "PIECE OF SHIT" Dave Cassel:August 26, 2014 at 6:59 amWrong on all counts. Will Stark:September 18, 2014 at 12:28 am3.45 an hour doesn't pay the bills, it makes you homeless. Also the servers are providing YOU a DIRECT service so pay them for that direct service. Adam Serrano:September 28, 2014 at 4:29 pmseems to me that your the piece of shit when being provided a service you should leave a tip for common courtesy and having an education this is to boydappraisals Richie Carlin:October 29, 2014 at 7:26 pmYou're a pretty dumb human being. Brenda Smith:November 1, 2014 at 2:32 pmAnyone who doesn't tip and tip well, is really just a thief. If only there were laws to protect tipped employees from theft. No one should ever be able to decided how much they pay for a service. Jay Taylor:November 17, 2014 at 8:16 pmIn short...please give me money because I lack the motivation to get a real job. Clearing serving position for young college students and unskilled labors and I stay right where I am and I want you the customer to pad my pocket for having little ambition life. you want to make 20-30-40 dollars an hour. take off the apron and earn it. If not shut up get me some ranch and here's a few bucks towards you gram of COKE or the rounds of beers you buy after every shift to get shit faced so you can sleep in late and walk into work for shift meal and do it all again. Dan Leseberg:January 28, 2015 at 7:06 amIt seems like these self proclaimed educated people who don't tip and belittle hardworking honest people probably work for Apple or something. Those guys always have a better then you attitude, treat servers like shit and don't tip. Joe Keckley:March 31, 2015 at 7:51 pmWill Stark And if the Restaurant owner doesn't pay up the difference to THE FEDERAL MINIMUM of 7.25 AN HOUR. YOU CAN SUE AND WIN. This wage is for every job, and any job. It applies to every state, and is mandatory by law as of 2009. Ryan M Andrée:April 4, 2015 at 12:56 pmJay Taylor, you're a worthless jackass. What do you do for work? Kaily Perry:April 21, 2015 at 10:55 pmI have also worked in the industry and people who do not tip are not the norm, so you are a dumbass saying that If people did not tip you would be out of a job, because that is not true at all. Everyone typically leaves a tip. In all the years I have worked as a server (I am now a dermatologist), I could count the number of times someone did not tip on one hand. So try to explain your reasons for not tipping all you want, but basically you are the uneducated piece of shit who needs to go back to school to get a better job so that the next time you go out to eat you can afford to leave your sever a tip. Its always the ones who don't tip who are also always the most demanding and needy. Fuck you and your excuses. you are and will always be a piece of shit. FIY, servers will remember you and even if they don't wait on you the next time you come in, they will inform whoever is waiting on you that you are a nontipper. Go to a buffet if you cant afford to tip bastard. Tiffany Jean:April 30, 2015 at 3:18 amTipping is charity?? Ha yeah, That is the stupidest thing I've read in a while! Wow! There is no way you were ever a server or have even worked in the restaurant industry. You are just saying to make your post look better. They are paying you to do a service, serve them, hello. You would not be getting $5.oo an hour if a tip was not expected. Justin Medley:June 9, 2015 at 8:44 amI just can not believe that someone actually believes this, i have a college education and have also worked at several restaraunts while attending school. Truth be told, even the people that ive met that are career servers are decent people that for one reason or another need the flexible hours whether its family issues, multiple jobs, or something else. Servers put up with so much shit from people it is ridiculous, they deserve much more than the 2.13 an hour that they get here in houston. The way that you treat your waiter/waitress is a reflection of the type of person you are, and i hope for your sake that you have changed because if not then you are still a first class asshole. Try putting your self in someone elses shoes. If you dont tip, cook your own food and eat at home. And if you continue to go out and dont tip then on behalf of all the servers and their families that you screw over.. Fuck you asshole Julio Cesar Gilgorri:July 14, 2014 at 9:09 amWent to a restaurant a few weeks ago alone. The meal was $9, I tossed in a twenty and told my server to keep the change. I went back again today with a bunch of friends. The same server happened to be working (not that I realized it until she mentioned it lol), and even though there was a line, a table magically cleared out with just the right number of seats for my party within a few minutes of our arrival. Our service was great, food came out quickly, tasted better than ever, and we shared a few laughs with the staff. Of course, we tipped graciously. So no, you don't HAVE to tip your waiter/waitress. You also don't HAVE to enjoy your meal. You don't HAVE to eat out at all. I can cook up a mean Filet Mignon at home. I go to a restaurant for food at least as good as I can cook, plus the service and convenience of not having to actually cook (especially for large parties). My bill covers the food; my tip, the service. Jay Taylor:January 28, 2015 at 8:29 amI get it tipping is a bribe for better services like a...what do you call that... a racket. Julio Cesar Gilgorri:January 28, 2015 at 8:57 amJay Taylor ...no, you must not have been listening. These people aren't paid to serve us (not minimum wage, anyway). Without tipping, waiters and waitresses would be wage slaves. So tipping at least 15% is essentially mandatory; it's part of what you've agreed to. However, due to the nature of tipping, one can give as much as one wishes, and may or may not receive benefits as a result. So, in that sense, you can compare it to a bribe (except bribes are generally sneaky, secretive, and are often paid for illegal services; none of these are present here). However, you can't call it a racket, since a racket is "an illegal or dishonest scheme for obtaining money," which doesn't really apply here. Also, if you must consider tipping a form of legalized bribery, and most people are tipping $4 or $5, why don't you throw down a $10? It's not like I've had to sink my life's fortune for this improved service lol I don't see why you have to be such a downer. Marshall Billingsley:April 28, 2014 at 10:18 pmAs a server I have lost a lot of faith in humanity. After reading these comments I have lost even more faith in humanity. To tell us servers to get a job that doesn't rely on tips is just ignorant. To call us servers stupid and that we should get a real job should shut up because guess what? Some of us are college kids making our way through school so that we can one day get that "real job." You can treat me as if I just learned how to form sentences earlier in the day but the fact is right now I am in school to be a NP and serving is the most flexible job that I can work around with for my classes. The fact of the matter is that when you go to a restaurant you are paying for the food AND the service. If you do not want to pay for the service then guess what.... Go to Jersey Mikes or I don't know, make your own food at home. Hell, if I want to save money and don't want to tip then guess what also? I don't go to a restaurant where I am being served. To say you don't feel like spending the extra money to tip is just ignorant and ridiculous. No one is pointing a gun in your face saying you have to go out to eat at Outback or where ever. You chose to go out to dine, you knew walking in that you will be served, and that those servers will be relying on your tip. May 18, 2014 at 11:07 pmget another jon that doesnt require people to guilt themselves so that you can make it through school some of those customers are trying to make it through high school or college themselves Marshall Billingsley:May 20, 2014 at 2:59 amfagbetunsin Guilt? Did you not read what I just said? If a college kid can't afford to go out and eat then they should be eating some where else or dining in. As a college kid that's what I do. Derek Cope:June 25, 2014 at 9:49 pmfagbetunsin "some of those customers are trying to make it through high school or college themselves" Then why are they eating/drinking out if they can't afford it? Thach Phuong:June 25, 2014 at 3:57 amNot my job to pay waitress wages April Smith:June 27, 2014 at 7:23 amThe reason waiters make a $2.13/hr is because tips are expected (not the other way around). Many waiters are required to tip out the kitchen, bar, and support staff EVERY shift based on a percentage of their sales (usually adding up to 5%). When the money isn't disbursed as expected to the hourly staff or wages increase at competing restaurants, the company will increase the server's tip out to compensate. This is often without notice, and contesting these pay cuts to the management are usually met with termination. Now, as an alternative to guests not tipping (at one restaurant I worked in), a manager work comp an item. This was a rarity because its only occurrence was with a high frequency party/reservation, and only when the server in question was of quality or merit. Consequently, the company doesn't feel the need to pay their staff any extra because they need to line their own pockets. I must warn you, if you frequent a restaurant and don't tip, you will irritate the staff. No one will want to serve you, and in consequence you will probably stop going there for lack of a quality experience. You see, you are renting someone's assistance, and refusal of payment leads to lack of service. Waiters don't waste time, and certainly don't play games. Jennifer Ludlam Morse:June 27, 2014 at 4:49 pmThen don't go out to eat at a full service restaurant, go to mcdonalds you cheap asshole! I can't even believe you said this, part of a servers pay IS the tips! Thats why they only get paid $3.63 an hour. John Dylan:June 28, 2014 at 7:52 amI always tip at least 15%, when in America, because I don't want to "punish" random waiter or waitress, however, I didn't force you to work as a waitress. I also didn't force you to work at whatever particular establishment I am dining at. Who forced you accept a job that pays so little?? Get together union support and make employers pay you a liveable wage. Tipping doesn't happen here in AUS and dozens of other countries I've been too, they all seem to be tickin along just fine. All this anger seems ignorantly misplaced at the (admittedly) Cheap assholes, when it should be directed at whatever screwed up system & the employers themselves that allow them to pay such a substandard wage. I don't go out to eat for the service. I go out for the FOOD. Get over yourself!... Do I need to tip the Chef, too? Why don't u give the customer an option then? if they want your service, then charge a 15%, but then allow them to say no thanks, go order their meal at a counter, and go pick it up themselves when ready. Ppl shouldn't be forced to pay EXTRA for a service, without the option to not need that service. (remember they didn't come there for YOU) One more thing.. this ridiculous If you cant afford to tip me, go eat at mcdonalds! Well, if you can't afford to live on the wage your employer is paying.. well, go work somewhere else, that pays an hourly wage of at least minimum wage... like Mcdonalds. Corie Jimmar:June 28, 2014 at 5:00 pmJohn Dylan : The reason people say that line is because the service is required, if not totally expected, of the servers (from guests) at dine in restaurants.. Whether you would like to admit it or not. People DO go out to DINE for the service as well as the food. Sure we could unionize, then what? -Force the establishment to put soda machines on every wall? I suppose servers would need not bring you a new drink without you ever having to leave your meal, with this in order (thus removing a need to tip). -The establishment could easily reduce the amount/quality/effort put into the food, reducing the need for the server to even waste his/her time running it to all of his/her tables.. -You could clean the scraps off your own table/chair like at your local burger king... then servers wouldn't have to tip bussers for taking the time to wipe down/dry/even disinfect your dining area. -Feel free to wait in a line with whoever you're dining with, to order at a cash register. Removing the need for the server to perfectly decipher how you want your filet mignon prepared to the kitchen in a prompt manner. Yet another reason tipping would not be needed. -You could sit down and wait for your name to be called, then carry your own 140° plate(s) back to your table (in yet another crowded line). IF they're even of enough quality to be served at a proper temperature... Now, what would all of that make said establishment? No really, take a guess.. 2 words. Both start with "F".. You can do it.... FAST FOOD YAY YOU GOT IT RIGHT!!... You clearly don't realize that removing the reasons/needs to properly tip a server, also completely removes the dine in etiquette from the restaurant. So yes, the proper answer actually IS to go to your local fast food restaurant (we aren't being cute when we say that) Do try to use your noodle next time you attempt to argue a thinly veiled point, Mr. Dylan.. Then tell your next server that you aren't going to tip him/her so they can provide proper disservice :) Sarah Salsera:July 2, 2014 at 3:27 amCorie Jimmar YESSSSSSSSSS^^^^^^ this! Anne Smith:July 2, 2014 at 6:42 amWho cares what you think? Tipping is an American custom. Conform or enjoy shifty service and long waits. Whatever floats your boat. John Dylan:July 2, 2014 at 9:08 amAnnabelle Liz St. Huberts Catholic school for girls did an atrocious job educating you. If you don't care what I think, why spend your own precious time responding to me. I DO tip, and admonish those that don't try reading my post again, start at the beginning. Your dogmatic viewpoints of conform of go away is probably another result of good ole St. Hubert there. Jesus would totally be as flippant towards others as you. Way to be the light! Corie Jimmar, obviously, you were just so damn anxious to post that, you didn't really address the root of my point. Once again I DO tip, and I even called out those who don't as cheap assholes, but sure, attack me. The point is I have lived in America, and many other countries, if people are not tipping, and waiters are getting screwed to the point where you need to have a page like this, clearly, something isn't being done optimally. Waiters here in Aus. for example get tips but they are closer to 5-10%, when given, which is not all the time. However employees have to be paid at least minimum wage, and I'm sure finer establishments pay even more. This allows servers to earn a guaranteed income, while still getting rewarded with tips for doing their job exceptionally. Instead of relying on an ever discouraging public, why not address whatever system allows employers to get away with what you servers are basically calling slavery. People are saying that somehow by the end of the night after working. THEY are paying $ not earning $. clearly something is wrong here, no?! **Does whatever state you work in not have a fair work act that would require your employer to make up the difference, should your tips NOT equal minimum wage? (genuine question) Anne Smith:July 2, 2014 at 9:17 amJohn whatever your name is... I was replying to the original commenter on this thread- I didn't read your weird comment. The high school I attended 25 years ago is about as relevant as whatever dribble you were trying to say. Facebook stalk much? Yeah, I get it- you tip 15%. You're the man! John Dylan:July 2, 2014 at 1:25 pmAnnabelle Liz facebook stalk? it says your high school right next to your name. >.< If your going to say your comment wasn't directed at me, why mention the fact it's an *American custom* the original comment, had nothing to do with that, yet mine did Anne Smith:July 2, 2014 at 4:05 pmThis thing says my high school and not my college? Balls on that! The poster said, "Not my job to pay waitress wages". I replied that's it's an American custom. Hence... aka... in other words... no shit it's not your "job"... it's a longstanding custom. Unionizing, "get a real job", "It works just fine in my country not tipping..." Yawn... In the U.S., if you wish to continue your two for $20 Applebees feasts, the custom will remain in place. That being said, a tip should is to be earned and not expected. So no- it's not a "job", it's a custom that factually keeps food costs down. Anne Smith:July 2, 2014 at 4:18 pmAnd John, obviously I hadn't read your comment. I said, "conform" or enjoy crap service. You're down under, you don't need to conform if it's not a practice in your country. But if you ARE not living in the US... please explain to me WHAT on God's green earth could you possibly know about unionizing an industry with tremendous turnover & little skills needed? There are some unions in place here... if you're interested in making that career, which most aren't. April Smith:July 2, 2014 at 7:25 pmJohn Dylan Yes, to answer your question. I believe that under federal law, companies are required to compensate for any income shortage. If after a pay period I make less than minimum wage, the company pays me what ever the difference is. As a server myself, working 45-50 hours a week for $7.25 (my state's minimum wage) wouldn't be worth it. However, I don't agree that people who don't tip, never tip. Yes, a majority of the people who tip poorly tend to be younger, many of which have never worked in the service industry themselves. I've waited on a lot of foreigners (British Airmen primarily) and currently work with Lithuanian exchange students. After many conversations with them, I've come to the conclusion that a majority of dine-in restaurants "across the pond" (and in other regions) pay their servers a regular wage (in addition to tips). In my restaurant, employees are paid a regular wage ($2.13 as servers, $8.00 as hosts, $5.00 as food runners, etc.), minus their tips. I don't think that many servers over here in America realize that a majority of youngsters, foreigners, and people of various groupings understand how restaurants work. I've known many to prejudge or blow-off tables because they don't expect a tip from them, when in actuality, their blatant irritation or disproval of a table costs them a decent tip. Yeah, sure....it may have been 10%, 30%, a five dollar bill, or even some change, but it's way better than receiving nothing. Likewise, a lot of people tip based on the actual bill. Not many people will throw twenty bucks your way on a $20 check average, regardless of how good a server you are. To respond directly to the original poster: no, it's not your job to pay the waitress' wages, given they don't do their job. But when you opt to go to a dine-in, full service restaurant, receive excellent service, and have no complaints whatsoever with your server, it is usually expected. If you don't want to spend twice what the actual food in worth when paying for the service and preparation of your food, and then throw a couple dollars to the waitress for a job well done, then it would be better to stop by a grocery store and cook your own food. Anne Smith:July 2, 2014 at 7:47 pmApril Smith to add on, it seems the Department of Labor here is actually starting to pay attention. At least in my case. I worked for many years at a GREAT place but we were not compensated for overtime or shortages if tips didn't equal minimum wage. Of course you'd have snow days or off days... but in general, was great there. Anyway- Dept of Labor filed a class action lawsuit & over 1,000 employees are being reimbursed. I've also had many conversations with folks from other countries but generally didn't find them to be bad tippers. Either they've been here & adapted to the custom or did like I do- read one of those little "etiquette" books LOL! I've also seen a terrible, blatant prejudge, blow-off attitude for certain groups. It is an issue in this industry & after 21 years, I've seen MANY people who simply didn't deserve to be tipped- hate to say it. Never a way I worked though. You want it, you earn it. We just do it differently in this country. Certainly doesn't mean anyone HAS to do anything they don't want- especially tip for poor service. The "get a real job", "unionize", "not my job to pay you" comments... simply from people who don't understand the culture of tipping here. It's a well known fact that unionizing this industry is difficult given the high turnover & general "lack of skills" required. (Although many of us are highly skilled & know the ins & outs of customer service, which is such a crucial skill in any field). It's well known that dining out costs would shoot up tipping was eliminated. Dining out is an experience... someone else to do your cooking, wash the dishes and keep your drinks full. In the US culture, that type of service is usually compensated with a tip. Anne Smith:July 2, 2014 at 8:07 pmJohn Dylan- it says I'm a Bob Barker Beauty. I simply am! LOL Suzanna Lytle:July 11, 2014 at 9:01 pmJohn Dylan your a narcissistic asshole with obvious visions of grandeur who obviously doesn't understand what is socially expected when you go out to eat. the waitress gets paid 2.13 for being at the restaurant but other than physically being there for the shift nothing else is covered by there job. service is not paid for by the company its paid by the customers every time you don't tip your telling the waitress that you deserve FREE service that when taxed with come out of the waitress pocket. so your so cheap that you think the waitress should pay for your food is that what your telling us. Andrea Cochran:July 29, 2014 at 8:00 amTHEN DON'T GO OUT TO EAT, IDIOT!!! Andrea Cochran:July 29, 2014 at 8:24 amJohn Dylan Hey, John Dylan. Did you know that YOUR TIP doesn't only go to the server? That server is required to share that tip with (most of, if not all of) these other people: -bartender(s) -host -food runner -bar back (dude that polishes glasses, cleans dishes, stocks bar) -bouncer -expo (person that plates food, makes sure everything looks beautiful on the plates, organizes tickets and makes sure no one else runs the wrong food) And if they are working a big party, your server is almost always automatically sharing part of their tip with the owners of the restaurant, the wine steward (if he was used), the bartenders, any other server that helped run food and any host that booked the party itself. It's best to go through life treating other people with respect. Maybe you're still too young to realize that. Maybe you've always been privileged, hopping from one lucky stone to another. Maybe you'll never work in a restaurant and maybe you'll never know what it's like to make less than six figures a year. But having that sort of privilege doesn't mean you have the right to treat the people that serve you with disrespect. This isn't colonial times. We serve you but we are NOT your servants. Which means that YOU are NOT our boss. If you let us serve you, if you let us treat you well and coddle you then you are morally obligated to pay us for that service. Any other action would be considered theft. Because you are not only stealing from our paychecks but you are also stealing our time and efforts that could've been used on patrons that didn't have the same barbaric ideals as you do. Not everyone CHOOSES to have this profession. I've graduated college. I do other things on the side. But serving tables is what fits my schedule right now. And I shouldn't be punished for it. Working for an insanely low hourly wage is what keeps restaurants in business! If we all got paid career salaries, the price of a meal would probably have quadrupled. Which actually sounds pretty awesome (for the industry, not for YOU!)… but keep that in mind the next time you're out and considering writing a zero on the tip line. Sure you don't HAVE to tip. But us servers and bartenders get taxed on every sale we make. Even if we don't get tipped. And every tip is recorded. The government makes sure of that! So if you don't leave a tip, we are still paying taxes on your bill. Because the government assumes what the tip will be and taxes us for that. Soooo if you plan on not tipping, at least do us the service of telling us ahead of time. So that I don't run my fanny off trying to make you happy. And so that I don't twist my head around wondering why you put nothing but an 'x' on the tip line. And so that I don't take it personally and pace around wondering where the heck I went wrong... Bonus tip for you: servers always remember when you don't tip. And also when you tip very poorly. We never forget a jerk's face. So maybe you should start wearing disguises when you go out… I've never contaminated the food of a customer in all my 15 years of serving but there's always a chance that you're the straw that breaks this camel's back…! Kelly Wu:August 2, 2014 at 7:03 pmYou guys are so funny. Why are u arguing on the internet? It doesn't matter what any of you think, though nice job on expressing your opinion. If you really care about this matter you can address the congress and ask for a bill to change the law or something. If you want to that is, or you can just say screw it and pay tip every time like I do. Andrew Welch:August 23, 2014 at 5:14 amJohn Dylan This tipping system is pretty stupid. However, just as you didn't force the waiter/waitress to work at a particular establishment, they didn't force you to eat at a full service place either! David Castillo:October 24, 2014 at 8:14 amJohn Dylan Your right the system is lousy. but if the "cheap assholes" followed the system then the system wouldnt be flawed Know that if they start paying waiters a real hourly wage not only would the quality of the service lower, but the price of food would go up dramatically because the restaurant will try and make up the money they're losing paying their entire server,host, busser and bartender staff you would still have to pay the 15% in SOME way however at least you're guaranteed better service. Also another note, if you go for the food and not the service then I recommend taking it to go. YOU may not want to go to a place for service but I promise you there are people who enjoy being taken care of and are willing to pay for the service gladly they go for quality food and quality service to match. if you cant afford it then go somewhere where you can A car salesmen will get commission % of sales A retail salesmen (GNC, Shoe Stores, etc) will get commission % of sales as well (all they did was ring up what you wanted) why wouldnt a server get a 15% tip? Bryan Patterson:January 14, 2015 at 7:36 amApril Smith I have washed dishes at a few places and no one ever gave me part of there tips. Christopher Giofreda:January 28, 2015 at 4:30 amJennifer Ludlam Morse Swear at him. You are one classy lassy. Ryan M Andrée:April 4, 2015 at 1:02 pmIt is your job. That's how assholes Like you can afford to eat out July 10, 2014 at 2:57 amActually, even this isn't okay. The IRS assumes a 15% tip on all restaurant sales, and servers pay income tax regardless of weather or not you tipped them. If you don't tip them, then they pay to wait on you. That is just wrong. You have the right to disagree with the tip system in the US, but don't punish the less-than-minimum-wage employees. Because weather or not you agree with the system, it is how your server pays the bill. July 10, 2014 at 3:00 am*how your server pays their bills. Bryan Patterson:January 14, 2015 at 7:27 am15% that's because 99% of wait staff don't report all their earnings. Anne Smith:January 28, 2015 at 5:05 amBryan Patterson 99% is pretty steep lol. If you want to be approved for a car loan, rental application, mortgage... you have to report what you make. I always did, as did many of my co-workers. A lot don't report anything, which is dumb & I blame the establishment if they allow that. I've never worked anywhere that allowed people to claim much less than they earned. Credit card tips sometimes are automatically reported by the establishment- that could be a bulk of what you make some nights. Some places make you claim a certain % of your sales... even if you made less (had that happen sometimes- it sucks). I served for 21 years as a "career"... treated it just as an office job. Had an accountant, claimed what I made, IRA, health insurance. Want to live somewhere nice... gotta claim it... nobody will rent to someone whose pay stub says they make $100 a week. So 99% not so accurate- I worked with a lot of people who needed proven income. There are people who treat serving as a "real job". The establishments have to do a better job making sure people claim the proper amounts if people aren't claiming. I found the better places upheld that. I did spend most of my years working directly across the street from the huge IRS compound though... maybe we knew better! But as icealy said... the IRS is assuming you made 15%. It averages out but yes, if someone stiffs you- you pay taxes on it based on your sales. Anne Smith:January 28, 2015 at 5:18 amicealy true true! Was like that where I worked. In the old days or places that still use non-computer based systems, you'll see those claiming nothing. But if I rang $2000 on a Saturday night, I have to claim $300 minimum- right my clock out screen. And our place took it a step further. Say $250 of that was credit card tips... automatically reported. We then had to claim an extra % of cash. I'd see people go lower but they couldn't go much lower. 18% at one place & if you dared go to 17%, you'd have a letter from the office waiting for you on your next shift. I claimed what I made though- I learned young if I wanted that SUV and apartment... I better have the income to prove I can get it lol! But did have a few nights when I did not make 15% (maybe a couple large parties, etc)... and it was still claimed- that definitely sucks. Always felt it evened out though- would have a great night the next day :) Rachael Higgins:May 7, 2014 at 12:54 pmwhoever wrote this is straight up ignorant. Gen McClaren:July 8, 2014 at 5:18 pmGreat plan, tell your waiter at the start of the night and guarantee shit service. How about waiting to see if they naturally give you decent service before tipping? Derek Cope:June 25, 2014 at 10:11 pmMost restaurants are becoming corporate, or are owned by a big rest. groups. Even the full service chain places are looking towards a lower income customer. The average guest at most restaurants nowadays would be lucky to pay their rent, much less be able to afford a full service dinning experience. Most of my day is swiping my manager card for coupons and discount codes. Or just giving the entire meal away for free because the customer has learned to complain and make scenes. A new server goes through two weeks of this, and opens their first paycheck to find a whopping 19 dollars? It's hard to keep employees (or your faith in the system) that way. Restaurants need to raise their prices WAY up, and make sure fast food customers can only afford fast food. I don't want to deal with McDonald's customers, that's why I don't work at McDonald's. I resent the big chain restaurants decision to use fast food techniques, coupons, email clubs, specials, bs public relations campaigns, etc. to bring in a customer that only increases their volume, not their sales. Valerie Martinez:March 24, 2014 at 5:20 amIf you dont like to tip dont go out to eat and get served by a server....get your cheap ass to a fast food joint...dont waste your servers time...simple Jenn Urato:April 5, 2014 at 9:10 pmLol Kelly Wu:August 2, 2014 at 7:12 pmorrr... order out from the restaurant so u don't gotta tip... Jason Lynch:June 26, 2015 at 9:34 amId rather tip the cook to be honest. I'm not going to give you money for bringing me food, I would gladly go get it myself if it means waitresses/waiters didn't try to act like my best friend to try and juice some money out of me. And how about instead of "if you don't like to tip don't go out" how about "if you don't want to live off of tips get a different job" it's not my job to pay waitresses it's my job to pay for my food. Why not bitch to your boss for paying you shit wages in the first place. Tipping should not be expected Cale McCollough:June 26, 2015 at 5:44 pmI make less than $5/hr and I don't get tips. I don't have money for a tip. Your a real piece of shit for excluding me from the dinner table. Why should a waiter get $15, when I make less than them? That is arrogance. Antonio White:July 17, 2015 at 4:13 pmIf you don't make $5/hr and you're not in the food industry that's illegal then. And you SHOULD be complain dude. Otherwise, you just aren't doing something right and tips are about of your costs. And who honestly pays $15? honestly? That's expected maybe in you have a $100+ check...which means you constantly were worrying your server about every little thing like more ketchup, or salt, or drink refills because you're the only person at the restaurant who's important because YOU have a date or YOU want to be treated nice. Tipping is a choice and a luxury. But so is going out to eat. You want to eat and sit down go to a restaurant that does that without servers. Serve yourself. Otherwise you're being cheap. If you can't afford to tip nor feel you should give your hard worked for money to a server. Then they should have the option to serve you, correct? Jessica Lindsay:April 28, 2014 at 5:35 amThis is very frustrating no one should tell another person "thats not a real job" you might have different opinions on what a real job is but everyone is entitled to a job that they choose. I have been a waitress in the past for over 6 years and there is nothing wrong with that, whatever gets the bills paid, but waiters do deserve more than 3.70 give or take per hour considering there are many inconsiderate people who do not know the proper way to tip. Cooks also do get the shit end as well considering they do prepare everything we have to bring out to our tables and should def. make more money! but to not tip is not acceptable, If you have a complaint....speak to your server, the manager, fix the issue, a lot of the time restaurants are understaffed and it makes waiters look bad. But If you are a waiter you learn to have more patience and respect for others when you dine out. In personal experience I have had to deal with 20 tables by myself no manager around, no one to take orders on the phone so I try my best to make everyone pleased but of course thats not always easy,have more respect, everyone has to pay bills, nothing wrong with being a waiter if thats what you have to do and it's a great job for people who are trying to balance school as well. Chris Currier:May 13, 2014 at 5:17 pmThat said, you're right. It's a great job for students. It is not, however, a means to support a family. It is not a career job. It is a stepping stone. Ivy Saechin:April 26, 2014 at 5:29 pmI'm a server and I really think servers need to be paid at least min wage. The whole tips thing can go away for that matter. Some places actually do pay min wage plus tips. Even though I'm sympathetic with us waiters, I also know waiters who do jack and are ballin. What I don't get is how some joints still ask for tip when you have to pay up front in line. The menu is on the wall, and I have to stand in line to make an order and have to self serve, pickup my food, and utensils, and even clean up. I'm a hard tipper BECAUSE I'm a waiter, not the other way around. I don't tip because I wish I was tipped, I tip for the same reason why tips were created in the first place, to let the server know if I was satisfied or not. Brent Cherry:May 23, 2014 at 4:53 amEvery server needs to have the same attitude you have, and not the snooty, pissy, condescending thinking like the asshole who made this poster, or the assholes that support this attitude. I too have worked in the service industry. My very first job was a Banquet Porter at Holiday Inn. My job was to serve food, drinks, clean up after and set-up events. It was just above minimum wage at the time and all I cared about was to do my job well, not the tips. You know why? Because unlike everyone else who support this site, I have too much respect for the customer to do what they feel is right than to make them feel sorry for me. On top of that, I valued to keep my job. Do I think servers should be paid minimum wage? Absolutely! And I'm not going to say that being a server isn't "a REAL job" because anything that pays is better than nothing. The rest of this message is for everyone else: The point I'm trying to make is that It doesn't matter how much or little you get paid. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO GRATUITY! It sucks that you can't make a living, but instead putting customers on a guilt trip, either speak to your manager, find another job, or get a second one, if possible. Aside from the cost of what they ordered, the customer DOESN'T OWE YOU SHIT! It's not their responsibility to finance your life, so pull your head out of your own asses and deal with your own fucking problem! Oh, and one more thing to drive home to how despicable it is to have this attitude: Refusing to do your job because something just so happens to fall from your "standards" is not only do a disservice to the customer, you are ripping off your own boss to put money in your own pocket. Your responsibilities are OBLIGATIONS. Not privileges. Not rights. Not options. OBLIGATIONS! And by not fulfilling these requirements, you are violating your employment agreement, which is grounds for termination. Your boss pays you to do your job WITHOUT QUESTION! NOT whenever you fucking feel like it! So I'll end this by saying that if I EVER get treated in the same manner as this, I will go to the manager, report the asshole/cunt who did this, and watch them get fired with an honest to god smile on my face! Maybe that will teach them to value their job and have more respect for others. Thank you! :) April 5, 2014 at 9:48 pmTo all you waiters and waitress out there who complain about one or two bad nights where you don't get tipped by a couple people. Fuck you. Try busting your ass in the kitchen as a cook and watching waiters and waitresses pull in half of your entire paycheck for the week in a single night. Seriously, fuck you. April 5, 2014 at 10:14 pmAnd what REALLY pisses me off is when waiters and waitresses complain about not getting tipped ENOUGH. 15% of the bill? FUCKING PLEASE. Just because I order an item on the menu that is 100x the price of another item doesn't mean you're working any fucking harder and deserve any more for your service. It's people like me, the chef, that has to cook the damn thing and pay close attention to make it to perfection so I don't have a shitty customer complain about my food and thus cost the restaurant more money because I have to cook a completely different meal. I did all the work and you assholes complain because they didn't give you enough of a tip for taking their fucking food out to them? EAT SHIT. April 7, 2014 at 2:36 amDamn fucking right I'm mad! And If I make one bad meal and impact the pay a waiter or waitresses gets because they were serving my shitty food, GOOD! Eat a dick up. Ryan M Andrée:April 4, 2015 at 1:07 pmI have an idea. Do both jobs. Let's see how many people come back to a restaurant after being served by an asshole like you. Your food might be good, but excellent service keeps people coming back. Antonio White:July 17, 2015 at 4:21 pmGalo Sen just because you don't get tips doesn't mean shit. I made 5.50 plus tips. But on a good night I made more than a cook. Otherwise. I didn't make as much. Cooks on average where I'm at get 8-9. Also we tipshare here because your tips over $30 a month are shared equally. Like most restaurants are starting to do now unless they're small. So for 40 hours I get about 220 or so. You get 360. Let's say I get $300 (because that's common right....? oh yeah..) anyways probably at th least $100 is coming out of my check for tip shares. Now let's add that up $420? is okay I guess. Looking at your check now though? and you got about the same as I make. Now. You're a cook. On a busy day, you can be swamped. I've seen it. But a server has to deal with the people who are often ungrateful, screaming, constantly wanting refills or more food and all. That's mentally stressful as well as physically. Yeah there's stress in the kitchen. But there's literally only so much you can do. There's more expectation out of the server to make sure everything's right. You don't get tips because you don't directly have to deal with the people. And often we've had people compliment the chefs personally because of good food. You want a pat on the back? You want a cookie? Do your job like they do theirs. Sure, you won't as often see the results. Sure often you won't get as much as them. You want their job? Go for it. Otherwise you chose to be a cook. Chloe Cuddlebug Coleman:December 13, 2013 at 10:50 pmI hate that the point of tipping has been changed so much, it used to be a gift, to show appreciation and now its just expected, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, its the law that if you don't make in tips what you would make in minimum wage, THE BOSS HAS TO COMPENSATE!!!!!!!!!!!! If he doesnt, he broke the law, and he can't fire you for reporting him, and if he does, then you should be in a different workplace and he can be sued. I don't think its fair that I'm a cheap awful person for not tipping, its like spending four hours on your hair and screaming at people who don't compliment you, tips are nice yeah but can we please remember that they are tips, not gratuity! Chase Jaland Lloyd:January 7, 2014 at 11:51 pmYou are a 'cheap piece of shit'. I hope you have fabulous day. Kathleen Elizabeth Austin:January 13, 2014 at 9:26 pmExcept that companies make rules to get around the law. You have to go through a process to get paid the difference between your tips and minimum wage. You have to keep your tips visable to the cameras 100% of the time which means keeping them in a cup where they can be stolen instead of in your apron. It also is not done on a day by day period, but as an average for the pay period. A manager has to count your tips and record them every day for the pay period. Many days a manager is not present so your tips CAN'T be counted and you loose your rights to be paid the difference as a result. Most of the time you will make minimum wage so you don't think about a tip sheet until you have a bad day. If you haven't filled out the tip sheet for the previous days you're screwed. Managers get annoyed at having to count tips and feel like you're too much trouble. They will find a reason to fire you and then rehire someone else who won't bother them. I have seen managers lie about employees stealing, changing their clock ins to make them late, and come up with impossible cleaning tasks just to fire someone who was complaining too much. If you don't tip your server then they may not be able to pay their bills or eat that night. On a bad winter day it was so slow that I came home with $4 in tips after working 7hrs. I wasn't compensated to minimum because I hadn't filled out a tip sheet the previous day. There wasn't a manager present to count my tips or get a tip sheet from. You might think that a slow day means less work, but if managers know that it will be slow they create cleanings lists to keep you busy. Servers also don't get scheduled breaks. Most days you will have a slow period where you can take an unscheduled break, but on busy days you can easily work 7hrs with no break for bathroom or food because there is nobody to watch the store if you do. Customers don't care if you haven't eaten or need to pee they just want their food fast. These are often the days where you get stiffed because customers are mad because service is slow, but they don't realize that there is one or two servers and one cook for the entire store on certain shifts. I've been yelled at by customers and stiffed because food came out late due to the table before them filling up the grill and other things beyond my control. Tips are already an extremely unstable source of income and people like you who are simply too cheap to tip make it worse. Brian Landis:January 17, 2014 at 3:55 pmChase Jaland Lloyd Chloe is right. Tipping was a gift back then, and was not a right. People did not have to tip if they didnt want to. Charlie Wright:January 21, 2014 at 2:31 amChase Jaland Lloyd I'd like this a thousand times if I could Chloe Cuddlebug Coleman:January 21, 2014 at 5:43 am Mother worked as a waitress, I don't usually go out but when we do we always had awesome waitresses, very nice very funny seemed like they enjoyed being there so of course we tipped, but I don't think someone is the scum of the earth for not tipping... April Courtade:January 24, 2014 at 5:12 amBack when? What magical time are you talking about, and why does it matter how things were in this "back then" time you are talking about? Chloe Cuddlebug Coleman:January 25, 2014 at 12:35 amLove the name calling because I refuse to call someone the scum of the earth for not tipping Jacob Wolff:January 29, 2014 at 11:11 pmChloe, are you f*****g kidding me! These people work for $2.13 in hour! You should be ashamed of yourself! Kevin Robinson:February 7, 2014 at 4:21 pmChloe you ARE cheap. If the tipping system was removed then the restaurant would be forced to charge higher prices to compensate for the extra $ they are shelling in labor costs. I had a bartender yesterday who took care of 7 guests for over 4 hours and they ran her around like crazy. Their tab was over $300 and they tipped her $0! She asked them if she did something wrong and these folks told her she was fantastic! However, it's the businesses job to pay her NOT them...... So Chloe, you're telling me that you think that's fair?! Again IF the tipping system were removed then these folks would've paid closer to $500 for their tab. Don't be stupid and think about your actions. I would think since your own mother worked as a server that you would understand how heavily she relied on tips... Chloe Cuddlebug Coleman:February 7, 2014 at 10:11 pmObviously for an order like that you should tip smart ones, I SAID I USUALLY DO, but I'm not going to stomp my feet and look down my nose at someone who doesnt because THEY DONT HAVE TO!!! Would it be nice if they would? YES, but I am not going to call someone names and tell them how awful they are for not tipping. Thats the epitomy of judgemental. And to be honest I would support an establishment paying their employees that little, I don't think the places my mom worked paid her that little and I don't know many that do, tips are nice but you aren't a bad person for not giving them. I feel like the people replying want me to hate and insult anyone who doesn't tip, sorry I won't do that Jacob Wolff:February 8, 2014 at 1:47 amChloe Cuddlebug Coleman : You're an idiot! I don't even want to waste my time trying to explain to you how to behave as a human being! You're not worth it! Emily Chong:February 10, 2014 at 1:26 amChloe Cuddlebug Coleman I agree with you completely. I myself have served before and don't get upset if someone doesn't tip. Not the end of the world. I started in Hawaii and the culture of tourists that do come visit don't tip at all. Stupid servers would get upset but fail to realize in some Asian cultures, Australia and European (who visit Hawaii most) see tipping as "I feel so sorry for you please let me help you with a few dollars because you're so poor and don't have a real career" and actually consider tipping insulting for the server. I don't feel sorry for servers who complain. They should know what they are getting themselves into and very childish for name calling & expecting the world to ALWAYS pay them and give them the highest respect for what is a teenager starter job as a SEVER. Don't like the $3/hr get a better job! Chris Sparling:February 12, 2014 at 3:48 amI agree completly. I think calling someone a piece of sht cause you didnt tell them at the begining is a bit ignorant. Its lke being an asshle to te server before service is alredy given. I dont tip perid. I understand that tips help with wages. But ingo for a meal and could give anshit about tips. It sems that something that was meant as amgift has now turned into something that feels like we as customers are paying a direct portion of income.nifnthengovernment wants to step in like that and force amtip thrn they need to pay thentip and not tack on an extra fee. Cause if shit like this continues down this route i just wont at tnresturants. Jenn Urato:March 3, 2014 at 12:10 amChase Jaland Lloyd don't like the truth ? Breanna Baurley:March 5, 2014 at 3:12 pmWhere I work, if you claim less than 12% of your sales in tips at the end of the night, you get fired. They assume that either you are a terrible server, or you're committing tax fraud. I have never seen someone paid minimum wage, they just get fired for not satisfying the guests. Chris Sparling:March 5, 2014 at 3:14 pmBreanna Baurley thats when you open a lawsuit against them. they cannot can you without proof of bad service. its actually quite illegal to do that. Dawn LaRae Jones:March 6, 2014 at 2:31 amKathleen Elizabeth Austin thank you. i hate when people try to comment on "but they have to pay you the difference"! yes, they DO, but that doesn't mean they don't try to get around it and make hell for you to go through to get the money to which you're entitled. employers often times discourage their employees from pursuing their pay; while people who work in other professions don't seem to have to "prove" that they are entitled to their salaries, restaurant staff often do. I hate tipping, personally, but that's just me. April 5, 2014 at 8:59 pmKathleen Elizabeth Austin "Most of the time you will make minimum wage so you don't think about a tip sheet until you have a bad day." All I'm seeing is excuses. If you didn't fill out a tip sheet then that's your own damn fault. That's like saying I never balance my check book and getting upset with my bank because I spent way more money than I actually had. Being negligent isn't an excuse for pity. Stacey Anderson:April 15, 2014 at 10:10 pmYou stupid servers need to get a real job depending on chump change to pay rent get a damn career like me when you wanna make real money find me broke bitch Kelsey Williams:April 16, 2014 at 4:57 amWay to be a judgmental asshat! Some of the most intelligent, interesting people I've known are my fellow servers and restaurant staff. On a side note, have you heard of punctuation? Dan Ridgway:April 19, 2014 at 5:12 amArrogant cretin. Dan Ridgway:April 19, 2014 at 5:13 amArrogant cretin. Work on your English. Joseph Corrado:April 20, 2014 at 12:02 amCompletely agree with you Stacey. Stacey Anderson:April 20, 2014 at 9:59 amHey Dan go work on yourself broke ass May 3, 2014 at 6:32 amYou are perpetuating a terrible stereotype. I hope you realize that. People like you don't know how to treat others and have clearly never actually worked hard for your money.Tell me why do you go out to eat at all? Classless cunt. Ben Koopmeiners:May 20, 2014 at 6:39 pmFor what reason do you have to rip on servers for? Some of us are working and going to college full time for a career, possibly for something that could possibly top yourself off, in which case I'll tell you to "get on my level" as well. Gratuity is something that a lot of serving staff take for granted, but it's simply a perk to make someone willing to spend time with and serve people that truly treat you like servants, and from what I can tell, to make putting up with people like you worthwhile. On a side note, tipping is absolutely optional and should never be expected. It's nice, but not a necessity. Stacey Anderson:May 20, 2014 at 10:55 pmyou lames here mad because you cant get money like me?? Work hard bums and get on my level hop on the rich Bitch express you fags and broke hoes Antonio White:July 17, 2015 at 4:24 pmif it's chump change there's no excuse not to pay it. Also $5 serving 20 tables a night is 100 in your pocket. I don't see how that's bad. Real money earners who can't afford to pay for their tip but make demands don't sound like anything but the people who pretend to be what they aren't by buying big but not being able to afford to live that life. You don't honestly hear people who can really afford that lifestyle complaining. When bill gates, Tyler perry, Lebron James or Tim Tebow complain about tipping, maybe your argument will hold more merit. Emily Chong:February 10, 2014 at 12:50 amMy tip starts at 25%. If your service was outstanding then I leave it. If it's horrible and have any hint of an attitude or just don't care, then I don't tip at all. You should know you're in a job where tipping is optional and unsteady. Go get a real job if you want to bitch and complain so much. Bottom line, my tips are given with respect to the service. Not going to waist (optional)money on a rude SOB. Very simple concept. Vanessa Bowers:February 10, 2014 at 12:57 amI agree. In my personal opinion, serving is a starter job. But if you make it a career, then be the best out there and know you'll get great, decent, poor, to no tips. Part of the job. Shouldn't complain Eric Liu:February 13, 2014 at 9:11 amYeah a servers job is very stressful, that is no excuse for treating one customer like shit just cause you are slammed with a lot of people. Its like a doctor saying he has 100 patients waiting, and says nothing is wrong after like 2 minutes and thats it, he sees the next patient. How would you feel, if he didn't meet your needs. Different job, same shit. Of course, it is an exaggeration, but think about it you are over exaggerating yourself. Tipping is just a luxury and minimum wage is being met. The people at McDonalds, Burger King... work at the same level as you and can't even get tip. Kristina Khawas:July 19, 2015 at 7:34 amOK so get ur food from McDonald's and burger king then you don't have to worry about tipping Michael David Winget:January 3, 2014 at 3:58 amI've been in the restaurant/bar business for over 20 years. I've served, bar tended, bussed tables, ect...every position. An easy solution is to go the the European system for gratuity but at the same time I've always been against auto grat's because it allows for servers to get lazy and assume they are getting an automatic 18-20% anyways. At the end of the day I always made a good living off of gratuity averaging 35-70/hr. Yes occasionally some would not tip. So what, thank them and move on. Most food service people get so caught up in 1 bad experience they let it bleed over to other guests costing them more money. Just stay professional, treat each guest with care, don't discriminate or judge books by their covers and in my experience 99% of people will tip if they feel the experience justified it. Your bar or section if your business run it like so and build regulars this is your only form of financial security. If your working at a place where this is not possible then keep learning and growing your skill till you can get a job at a nicer restaurant and keep moving forward. People remember how you made them feel and how well the experience was executed along w/ your timing of delivery and smoothness of service. For anyone who thinks serving is easy I always say "try it". If it was that easy then more people would be doing it at nice places. You've got to have social tact, be fast on your feet, have the ability to multi-task efficiently, and cater to all types of personalities while allowing things to roll off of you without getting upset. The fact is many can't do it. Currently I am part owner of a venture and still have great respect for people in the front lines of it. Regarding the employers paying them more. The restaurant industry is extremely competitive with the economy not helping any. For restaurants to keep their pricing competitive and still managing to profit a nickel to a dime on every dollar after all is said and done requires 2.13/hr to be a standard unless I'm operating a country club, casino, hotel or business where the member dues, hotel room charges, or casino profits allow me to sell food at break even or even loss pricing. In markets where the federal minimum wage for servers is higher all restaurants have to pay the higher wage so every local restaurants menu prices are adjusted accordingly to offset the labor spike for the front of house. If you don't like your service simply ask to speak to a manager or business owner and explain why. It shows you have the balls to state your opinion vs just ducking out and justifying not tipping to some blame game tactic. Tipping is not mandatory and should not be but at the same time people need to understand if the server did the job properly and was professional then it is expected that a 15% subtotal based tip would indicate good service with 20% or higher indicating exceptional service. I've not tipped twice in my life. Both times I asked the server to come with me to a private area and explained to them why I was not tipping. They apologized and I came back another time and they did a great job and I tipped them well. People can't fix something they don't know they are doing. Another thing to keep in mind. Pretty much any decent restaurant requires a server to tip out a certain amount based on their net sales. What this means is the server literally looses money with a zero tip. I'm not telling you this to make you wanna tip I'm simply stating facts. Johnathan Soap Montgomery:March 4, 2014 at 11:13 pmYour post is one of the most informed and well articulated post I have read regarding tipping. Thank you. I tip at a base of 10%. When the service is good or truly exceptional that percent can more than double. Most service I see is mediocre or poor, and I would rather have someone poorly scanning my groceries than taking orders for my food and refilling my drink. 15% tip for bad service is not going to happen. Ivy Nelms:December 24, 2013 at 7:55 pmwhy not just pay them minimum wage and be done with it??? I clean shit all day but nobody tips me or gives me a pat on the back for doing my job and I make minimum wage!!! I mean shouldnt we all get tips on the job if our work is outstanding?? I mean ppl tell me if I dont like the pay get another job!!! Stephen Tripodi:January 19, 2014 at 6:49 amThe problem with your theory of just paying them minimum wage is that servers don't work 8 hours shifts. They typically only work peak hours, lunch and dinner, working 3-4 hours max in a shift. Therefore they would make essentially nothing and no one would do it and we would have no restaurants. Servers need to be tipped because they don't work typical hours. Derrick Poon:January 27, 2014 at 11:07 pm3-4 hours max? umm ok. Jenny Sy Vua Liu:February 4, 2014 at 4:04 amStephen Tripodi 3-4 max? Damn then I am overworking then! I work 7-8 hrs max per day 6 .5 days a week! Derrick Poon:February 4, 2014 at 5:02 ami know right? he mustve left out the prep work and the closing duties lololol Stephen Tripodi:February 4, 2014 at 7:47 amDerrick Poon In Canada, typically servers work from 4-7 during the dinner rush. If they would longer they work 11-2 and have to work a split shift. It's shitty, but more often than not, we get shifts during peak hours and once it dies down we get cut and sent home. I'm not sure where you guys are from but where I'm from servers don't do any prep work or anything. They just show up, change, serve, cash out and go home. Then again, most restaurants where I am are large chain franchises, not your typical family run business where servers actually give a shit about the product/business. Stephen Tripodi:February 4, 2014 at 7:50 amAnd another difference in Canada is that we always get paid minimum wage, which is nice I suppose. There are not silly loopholes that allow companies to pay servers 2 dollars an hour or strictly tip based wages. Derrick Poon:February 4, 2014 at 9:54 amStephen Tripodi damn man, no prep work or closing duties? must be nice, we're in the US. Its pretty shitty lol Richard Hyunwoo Kang:March 4, 2014 at 8:33 amStephen Tripodi damn thats a short dinner ususally here its 4-11 Stephen Tripodi:March 4, 2014 at 8:39 amRichard Hyunwoo Kang A lot of restaurants have their diner rush from 4-7 because the the bars or lounges are also open at the same time. Usually we go out for dinner somewhere then head out to a bar and sit and drink there. Or whatever. Ryan M Andrée:April 4, 2015 at 12:49 pmBecause you wouldn't afford to be able to dine out Katelyn Young:February 24, 2014 at 3:32 amI am a server and i only make $2.65 an hour. I am expected to make at least minimum wage with tips whenever I work. That doesn't always happen because I have had a table refuse to tip me because they did not like their food. I understand that when you try something new at a resturaunt, you are not always guaranteed to like it. I even offered to bring them something different free of charge. They refused to order anything else. I don't feel it is fair to tip your waitress poorly, or not at all, just because you did not necessarily like your food. I agree with tipping based on performance. I understand what it is like to get tipped really badly, but if someone waits on me and is terrible and messes everything up, then I am less likely to leave them a big tip. I ask all of you to please tip your servers based on THEIR performance, not the performance of the cook, or of the host, or even of the manager. because they have no control over that, and those other people do not get portions of the servers tip. please be nicer to your servers and remember that we only make $2.65 an hour from our employers working our butts off to serve food to hungry people when we may be starving and wanting to eat Jason Lynch:June 26, 2015 at 9:41 amWhy does it have to be my fault that you make 2.65 an hour? Why is it my job to pay your wage? and what exactly is your definition of "service" ? Is it asking me what I want to eat and pay for them telling someone else to make the food I am going to pay for? Or is it coming to my table and asking me if my food is good? Waitresses / waiters are not entitled to tips, a tip is something you do when you're feeling generous. I'm sorry but if you're going to bitch about people not doing something they don't have to do then maybe waitressing isn't for you. Antonio White:July 17, 2015 at 4:29 pmJason Lynch it's not your fault but you're going out and demanding someone serve you. Therefore you're paying for that service. You know why there aren't servers at mcdonalds? Because you go and get the food yourself. You get your own drinks, your own condiments, you don't bother anyone else. You have a complaint with the food, you make it yourself. You want someone else to do it for you? Pay. That's like saying butlers should be free. Because that's what servers essentially are. It's paying someone to do what you're too lazy or not feeling like doing at the time. Saying it's not a real job, is an excuse. What makes your job any better? Because what you're saying is that butlers shouldn't get paid. Or maids. Oh. That's fair. Malcolm Shedden:February 11, 2014 at 8:26 amBrainwashing at its best. A server who makes NO TIIPS, makes 2.13 plus makeup to minimum wage from the employer, by law. A server who makes good tips, makes $2.13 from the employer, plus tips, but that exceeds minimum wage. Nobody makes $2.13 - its a lie. Katelyn Young:February 24, 2014 at 3:36 amthats not true. I make $2.65 an hour and I am expected to make minimum wage with tips. Now if I don't make at least minimum wage for an entire week, then the company reimburses up to making minimum wage. But if i have say three out of five nights where I make barely anything and its less then minimum wage, well then I'm SOL. so you are incredibly wrong. I have literally gotten a paycheck for $67 for working 25 hours at $2.65 an hour including tips. It has happened to me, so remember that when you get waited on, that person may be having a crappy tip night and may not get reimbursed by their employer because it didn't happen all week Jenn Urato:March 3, 2014 at 12:06 amKatelyn Elizabeth Young get. New job, you know what you signed up for! It'd not the people's job to pay your salary! I think we need to do away with this view on tipping! Dawn LaRae Jones:March 6, 2014 at 2:26 amJenn Urato how do you propose we do it? you seem extremely anti tipping, and while i agree with you that tipping should go away (if i'm understanding you right) the only way to do away with it would be to change the federal law that allows restaurants to get away with underpaying their wait staff, who still have to make a living just like everyone else. the reality is that restaurants employ a good number of America's work force, so while it's easy for you, entitled creature that you are, to tell people to "get a new job" as if it's that easy and the economy were not still in a state of recovery, it's clearly not that simple considering that the alternative, for many, would be unemployment because restaurant jobs or sales jobs that aren't much better in terms of wages, are usually the only jobs out there for people that don't have much in the way of skills/education. this is not these peoples' fault- it's simply the result of our unfortunate times. please consider that the majority of people who work in restaurants would rather work where you work, or lead the life you do (if you are privileged enough to stay home with your children), where apparently it's so easy to condescendingly tell hardworking individuals to "get a new job" with such ignorance of the circumstances that drive people into low-paying, dead-end jobs to begin with that i have to question your qualifications to lend your pathetically limited viewpoint on this topic. Jenn Urato:March 6, 2014 at 2:42 amOr someone against tipping, you shouldn't try so hard to tell me I have to pay your bills... I DONT have to tip, it's my gift to you if I do. Not an expected form of "paymen Dawn LaRae Jones:March 6, 2014 at 2:47 amJenn Urato ...ay, whatever. Galen Miguel Joyce:March 16, 2014 at 5:17 amJenn Urato If you ever are eating at a table next to me I am going to projectile vomit on you in disgust at what a piece of shit you are, and if I ever have the joy of serving you food, I will make it my life's mission to ensure that every unsanitary form of filth and every depravity that can ever be visited upon your plate occurs due to your sorry unapologetically ignorant view regarding waitstaff. You are a poor excuse for a human being, were probably dropped on your head as a kid or raised chained to a radiator in a basement, I have now decided that I hate you, and I hope that your doctor ceases your ability to procreate, and that DFACS never allows you near a developing mind so that God in all his glory might cease your retardation, and so the Republican Party will be free of the shackles of your magnificently malevolent assbaggery. Jenn Urato:March 16, 2014 at 1:22 pmLol you mad bro?? I'm over it ;D Christopher Joseph:March 22, 2014 at 7:12 pmDawn LaRae Jones I agree; it's so condescending to ask people to "get another job" or even better "get a REAL job" when people wait tables for many reasons. Some areas are just tourist areas and if you are poor; that is all the type of job you CAN get; if you don't have a college degree. And if you are aiming for a college degree; most poor students need a job with flexibility in hours in order to make it through 4 years so that they can move up the economic ladder and get "real jobs". And to be honest, as a former waiter and now diner; if we eliminated tipping, I truly truly believe it will eliminate as well the incentive for great service on behalf of the server. If everyone is paid the same at a place where you are being SERVED, why should I go the extra mile? Oh, because it's my job? The person getting paid at Walmart a consistent salary isn't going the extra mile. He/she is pointing to the aisle instead of taking me there. He is simply "doing enough to get by and not get fired" and still gets paid a salary. I've even heard of restaurant service in Europe (where tipping is not customary) as being awful. They simply do enough to get by but not enough to make your dining experience a joy. Sure, I agree that servers should get paid at least minimum wage (some states do, some don't) and that tipping can then be optional in those states were servers get paid minimum wage. But in states like FL, they make 2 bucks an hour. And if service sucks when I dine out, I don't tip or tip less and let the server know why (Oh yes, I am bold, as I used to be a waiter and a damn great one!). No one is telling you Jenn you HAVE to tip; but since it is how most waiters make a living; tip if you feel they provided a great service; tip less if they didn't meet your expectations. Just remember that if they abolished tipping, it will still come out of your meal price. And if they did abolish tipping, it might eliminate altogether great service. Jenn Urato:March 22, 2014 at 8:16 pmPoint of matter is, you chose the job knowing your getting paid how much and you also know for a fact your boss makes the difference, I don't pity waiters....not my job to work my ass for for my pay I diserves to have to feel obligated to give it to a waiter on a pity party! Katelyn Young:March 29, 2014 at 2:16 pmJenn Urato unfortunately it is hard to get job when you are a full time college student and helping your mother who just had a heart attack babysit all 4 of your nieces and nephews everyday. the waitressing job i have works around all of that so i can actually have a job. i worked retail for 3 years and hated it so much i couldn't wait to get out. i understand it isn't your responsibility to pay our bills, but when your server is running around like mad trying to take care of several tables at once and make sure that you get the food that you ordered prepared correctly and that you get everything on time and refills and anything else you may need while the server may be getting yelled at by another table because their food is taking too long, you could spare at least a couple of dollars out of respect for the people who are basically acting like your SERVANTS for the time you are at the restaurant. Katelyn Young:March 29, 2014 at 2:18 pmJenn Urato you are such a bitch. get a waitressing job and i guarantee you will see things a lot differently and have new respect for people who work in the service industry Jenn Urato:March 29, 2014 at 2:34 pmLol waaa, pity me poor me, get over yourself!!! I worked full time take care of my family and have several other factors in the way and I still happen to uphold my REAL job with out asking for pity me handouts, move along. Don't care ;) Katelyn Young:March 29, 2014 at 4:00 pmJenn Urato wow, you are so full of yourself. tipping your server is not a "pity me handout". its how i make my living. and excuse me but it is a "REAL JOB", any job that you work hard at for a wage is a real job, whether you have a college degree or not. Jenn Urato:March 29, 2014 at 4:45 pmLol it's cute how you keep posting like I care ;) pitiful, I really do pity your sad life! Katelyn Young:March 29, 2014 at 4:50 pmJenn Urato i have a sad life? i like to think my life is pretty fantastic. I'm assuming you're a single mother taking care of your children? based on your profile pic and posts it seems like you are on your own. and a "career" as a librarian? now thats sad. at least once I get my degree I will be able to work in the medical field and have stability Jenn Urato:March 29, 2014 at 5:03 pmLmao!!!! Nice assumption!!! Hahaha even if that were the case stalker freak id still be better off than you!! Jenn Urato:March 29, 2014 at 5:04 pmHey if that's what you want to believe to make you feel better about your self being a servant go for it!!! Lmfao!!!! Katelyn Young:March 29, 2014 at 5:13 pmJenn Urato so im a stalker because i can see your picture next to your name on here? and because your job was listed next to your name? um ok. and you can keep thinking you are better off than me if that helps you get through your miserable life. Bob Dale:March 31, 2014 at 10:30 pmKatelyn Elizabeth Young "Now if I don't make at least minimum wage for an entire week, then the company reimburses up to making minimum wage. But if i have say three out of five nights where I make barely anything and its less then minimum wage, well then I'm SOL." - How does this logic even work...If during a work week, you calculate your hours and calculate your tips and hourly pay during that week. If the rate doesn't exceed minimum wage for the week, then you get compensation. If you work 5 days that work week, and three of those 5 you make barely any tips, either 1. you reached the minimum wage rate for that week, bc your tips from the other 2 shifts made up for the bad shifts, or 2. you didn't reach the minimum wage rate for the week bc the other 2 shifts weren't good enough to cover the bad shifts. EITHER WHICH WAY, YOU EITHER MADE ATLEAST MINIMUM WAGE FOR THAT WEEK, OR YOU DIDN'T. IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU NEED TO GET COMPENSATION! I THINK YOU EITHER DIDN'T CALCULATE CORRECTLY, OR YOU DIDNT BOTHER TAKING IT UP WITH YOUR EMPLOYER. Bob Dale:March 31, 2014 at 10:42 pmKatelyn Elizabeth Young lived in Utica, 21 Jenn Urato:March 31, 2014 at 11:12 pmLmfao dumb cunt I am better then you! Hence why u had to block me, nothing smart to say Bob Dale:April 1, 2014 at 4:12 amJenn Urato haha Katelyn blocked you? wow, someone can't stand losing XD Katelyn Young:April 1, 2014 at 4:19 amBob Dale ummm first of all i did not block her. second of all, my logic is not flawed, this is something I have talked to my employer about many times. there are some weeks where if you work even 5 days you may not make minimum wage at all on any of those days because we are extremely slow. i work at a bob evans for goodness sake, a lot of the time we are incredibly slow. and i am lucky enough that i have always made at least minimum wage for my shifts. but there are some nights when i can work a 5 hour shift and walk away with only 5$ in cash and 5$ on credit. it does happen. you don't really understand the stress you go through working as a waitress. there are some people who turn it into a career and work as a waitress their whole lives, thats the reason I'm in school to get my degree, so i don't have to work as a waitress for the rest of my life. and i love how most people on here are commenting and think they know everything there is to know about waitressing and what its like, but have never actually worked as a waitress. every company operates differently and everyone will have different experiences. so if you have never worked as a server, i don't hold any validation to your opinion Jenn Urato:April 1, 2014 at 4:19 amExactly ;) Jenn Urato:April 5, 2014 at 9:23 pmDumb ass unblocked me! Lmao Megan Laroche:January 25, 2014 at 7:55 pmI wait tables you dont realize we have to tip out a percent of what you get whether you send it back and it gets takun off your bill we are still paying on it and then we get people like you that dont tip but we still have to pay for what you get and claim everything were tipping out on our taxes. Then we make a whole 2.13 an hour and taxes take all that so you never recieve a paycheck same with them paying the difference if you dont make minimum wage and they pay you that it will still all go to taxes so you never get a check and live off just tips. Everyone should be required to take a serving course sometime in there life so they understand what its like and when they have to deal with people like there selves they would not like it and get mad too. Bet their opinion s would change then. Derrick Poon:January 27, 2014 at 11:04 pmI don't know where you got that math from, but taxes are percentaged. That 2.13 an hour you make? taxes at a certain percentage. The tips you make? taxed at a certain percentage. still making under minimum wage? get compensation. That compensation is taxed by percentage. Now, what do you get? you get your minimum wage pay - the percentage. Saying that your compensation goes all to taxes mean you just payed 100% of your income(the compensation portion) to taxes, which is all wrong. Megan Laroche:January 27, 2014 at 11:22 pmWer have to tip out 3% of all sales weither we get tipped on it or not when I do get paid by the hour for not making enough in tips but they take all of that for taxes so in the past year I have never received a check its always been $0.00 Megan Laroche:January 27, 2014 at 11:24 pmAnd I dont know why you said where I got my math from I never put any in there Derrick Poon:January 28, 2014 at 11:08 pmMegan Laroche " same with them paying the difference if you dont make minimum wage and they pay you that it will still all go to taxes so you never get a check and live off just tips" this is what you said. The keywords are "it will still ALL go to taxes" The math you're using is 100% * compensation = the amount that goes to taxes, when that is completely wrong. Your comppensation is taxed just like income, which is NOT 100%. And it seems like you completely missed my comment, and to think there was no math involved in your comment. I see you're the kind of person that won't understand this comment either. I'm done, have fun. Derrick Poon:February 1, 2014 at 5:06 amRuss C Snyder you obviously don't understand my comment either...for your information i am a server and I tip when i go out to eat... I just don't get butthurt if someone doesn't tip me and complain about it left and right. You say its technical but to say something like that means you obviously didn't understand. Derrick Poon:February 1, 2014 at 5:12 amRuss C Snyder like i said you dont seem to understand how the tipping and server system work, i dont blame you cause most servers don't know anyway. When someone stiffs, yes you end up losing money, but thats when its the servers job to make sure they get compensated if they don't meet the minimum wage at the end of the shift. People complain because they end up meeting the minimum wage at the end, but its not as high as they want because 1 table didnt tip. Servers end up making more money than minimum, its the rare occasions that they dont, and its the SERVER's responsibility to report the employer about it and get compensated. If peeople don't like to take the bad with the good with serving, then find another job..I choose to take the bad and the good. If i get stiffed once or twice, i still come out higher, no need to complain like a little bitch. Don't know how much more i can explain for you to understand. Everybody to greedy nowadays, and i tip however much they deserve, good service 20% plus, bad?well depends how bad....I see what kind of person you are to just assume that i'm just a piece of shit, but its ok, cause its the internet lolol Bob Dale:February 1, 2014 at 5:17 amRuss C Snyder lol you just got beat by a chink... Bob Dale:February 1, 2014 at 5:28 amRuss C Snyder cause you just got trolled hard, and all you had to say was "and you live in Hong Kong, go choke on that dog and cat you're about to eat." lolol. and really everyone should be making sure they are making enough money at the end of their shift, kinda would be dumb not to, especially when you are under the proper amount, the employer has to compensate. Bob Dale:February 1, 2014 at 5:43 amRuss C Snyder wow you're still on that....did you completely miss the girl's first comment? it wasn't about people that go out to eat shouldnt go out if they dont have enough to tip, its about how they will end up losing money and not making minimum wage....not only are you still on here, but you completely missed the whole point of this original post...I see now, you actually don't understand. have a good day XD leave it to a white guy to throw the race card XD Erica Marie Cecilia:October 22, 2013 at 5:45 pmI'm not required by law to state that beforehand. And if I do, I risk my food getting spit on. So no. I don't tip. Deal with it. Tipping doesn't reward good service. It rewards cheap business owners. I'm not the cheapskate... the owner is. Pay the damn servers minimum and ban tipping. Some other restaurants have done this, and with great success. Their service got better and they made more money. https://www.google.com/search?q=can%20you%20get%20banned%20from%20a%20restaurant%20for%20not%20tipping%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp#channel=np&q=could+i+be+banned+for+not+tipping+at+a+restaurant&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=10 http://thepricehike.com/post/52308734397/nycs-sushi-yasuda-eliminates-tipping-gratuities-no Kathleen Elizabeth Austin:January 13, 2014 at 9:29 pmIf you want to boycott the cheap businesses then eat elsewhere. Don't make your server work for free because that isn't fair to them. How would you like it if you worked all day and then didn't get paid at no fault of your own? January 15, 2014 at 7:48 pmwould you work for minimum wage? Do you know how little minimum wage is? Do you know how much of a pain in the ass it is to serve stupid people like you ? Erica Marie Cecilia:January 17, 2014 at 12:03 amKathleen Elizabeth Austin The fault is their own. They chose a shit job. I worked a job where I am guaranteed pay. Erica Marie Cecilia:January 17, 2014 at 12:04 amcarlocruz26 I did work minimum wage... in HIGH SCHOOL. I'm an adult now and make real money thanks. If you can't, not my damn problem. Charlie Wright:January 21, 2014 at 2:33 amCheap ass holes like you are what makes this place a haven for servers to discuss their problems. Dawn LaRae Jones:January 24, 2014 at 7:40 amErica Marie Cecilia wow you're a smug one aren't you? Please pray every night that you never have to know what it's like to get laid off and face unemployment for a long period, so that you never have to know what's it's like to depend off a minimum wage job as an ADULT. if it's not your problem, then why bother even coming onto this site? Erica Marie Cecilia:January 25, 2014 at 6:21 amDawn LaRae Jones It won't ever be my problem because I have a diploma, and have access to better jobs. Substitute teaching was something I did right about of college. Easy money that doesn't pay minimum. But if you don't go to college then I can't help ya. I paid my own way in college with scholarships and loans. So I guarantee I will NEVER have to rely on those jobs, because I made good life choices. If you didn't, well that sucks. Erica Marie Cecilia:January 25, 2014 at 6:22 amCharlie Wright They have bigger problems than me... like making rent. LOL Nicholas Skala:January 25, 2014 at 11:53 pmcarlocruz26 cry me a river build a bridge then gtf over it. I tip based on criteria, good service, good food, and NO prior "Service" charge. if your company charges a delivery fee and you get none of it, cry to your boss, not me, cuz I dont give a shit. Derrick Poon:January 27, 2014 at 10:45 pmwhat people do not understand is that they choose to be a server, they are basically accepting that tips are optional. Complaining doesn't make a difference whatsoever. Your tips don't add up at the end of the shift to cover atleast minimum? report to the employer that you be compensated, but how many servers actually do that? I've been a server for a while, you take the good with the bad. People that complain are just greedy, find a different job. Jenn Urato:March 3, 2014 at 12:12 amKathleen Elizabeth AustinKatelyn Elizabeth Young get. New job, you know what you signed up for! It'd not the people's job to pay your salary! I think we need to do away with this view on tipping! Dawn LaRae Jones:March 10, 2014 at 2:38 amErica Marie Cecilia there are plenty of servers that have college degrees. college diplomas do not guarantee anyone access to better paying jobs. if you have a better paying job it is by good fortune. and as i told someone else on here, "never say never", because it can happen to anyone. I would never insult anyone whose station it is to work a low paying job because i've met PLENTY of people who've been upset by the economy, people who had GOOD lives and made probably more money than you do currently. But a bad economy chooses no sides and takes no favorites, except for maybe the one percent. There is no guarantee against that except being filthy rich and knowing the right people to stay that way. Sure, you can try to take precautions and by all means do, but don't be so naive or arrogant as to assume that A)you'll never end up there and B) that the people that are there are there as the result of bad life choices. because that shit is far removed from true. Perhaps you've had the good fortune of never meeting people who've had bad things happen to them, and if that's the case, then by all means, stay insulated and judgmental. No hate. Dawn LaRae Jones:March 10, 2014 at 2:41 amDerrick Poon i would argue they choose to be a server because the other "choice" is unemployment. i don't call that much of a choice, but hey, what do i know? the reality is that most servers serve because there are few jobs out there for those that lack any other skill set. But trust that if they had the option of doing anything else that paid better and came with fewer stresses, they would snap at it in a heartbeat (in my experience. maybe in yours, the servers would pit serving at a restaurant over being a city planner or an engineer or a computer software tech). People like you are the reason change is so hard to come by, no matter how much for the better it may be. Derrick Poon:March 10, 2014 at 2:47 amDawn LaRae Jones HA, what you don't understand is that they took that job knowing that you can make bank in just one shift of working a server job. They only choose to complain when they have that one bad shift where people don't tip. Its part of the job they accepted into. Most days they come out on top, but are they greatful for the good shifts? no. I bet there are just as many minimum wage jobs available out there as there are server jobs, its just that people always want to make more money so they go for the server job. Little do they know server jobs WILL come with bad shifts, but that happens, they flip their shit and complain. "but don't be so naive or arrogant", -no hate, ok lolol Bob Dale:March 10, 2014 at 2:56 amDawn LaRae Jones omg your post is so retarded. There are much more minimum jobs available. If people get mad at their job because of fluctuating pay then that's there fault for choosing it..just a bunch of greedy shits that expect to nothing but good tips EVERY shift. No wonder why, you're from Georgia dumb gering Jenn Urato:March 10, 2014 at 3:13 amAgree ^^^ Dawn LaRae Jones:March 10, 2014 at 3:44 amDerrick Poon but you're *assuming* that you can make bank in one shift. when i was a server the particular place i worked at was low-volume, and further, i worked graveyard shift during the weekdays. it wasn't a shift anybody wanted but at the time since i was going to university it was all i could get that fit my schedule, and at the time, jobs were hard to come by. trust, when i tell you, there were plenty of days i left off a ten hour shift with 7 dollars in my pocket. 11 dollars. 14. 5. because i might see only one customer all shift long. luckily for me because i also worked the weekends, over the course of a single week most times i would balance out right at minimum wage. but there were MANY weeks over that year that i made considerably UNDER. i would not lie about this- and unfortunately many of my fellow coworkers on night shift were in the same boat. except, unlike me, many of them DEPENDED on this income source, but since where i live it's very rural, there's not a lot of jobs period and certainly not for those that lack money or skills/education. This is how i came to be very compassionate for others' life experiences, from working in food service. And speaking as one who used to work for corporate America, i can honestly say that a lot of servers have waaaay tougher jobs. at least in my experience, i would have preferred a non-server job, but due to my scheduling issues at the time it wasn't feasible and i took what i could get but certainly not because i was attracted to the prospect of potentially less than minimum wage earnings and having to practically fight with my boss just to get my just compensation. it's not always so cut-and-dry. And i said 'no hate' because i'm not trying to start a war, but i do want others to be more open-minded to the possibility that not all servers are rolling in dough. Dawn LaRae Jones:March 10, 2014 at 3:53 amBob Dale .....so i'm a "dumb gering" but your post is so poorly edited it's hard to make sense of it, and in any event all you can do by way of an "argument" is hurl a petty insult my way. If we follow your "logic" and extrapolate that out to "all the servers who hate their jobs should just quit because there are better jobs but they're just too stupid to take them", because that's essentially the bullshit you've just tried to feed me and failed, and all of these servers hypothetically quit their jobs, we'd have an unemployment crisis on our hands because i assure you there wouldn't be enough jobs of other types to compensate for that loss. but i'm sure you've thought of this in all your sage wisdom, haven't you, sweetness? Bob Dale:March 10, 2014 at 3:59 amDawn LaRae Jones you don't seem to understand the problem, it boils down to choice. People choose to be servers. oh you're saying serving jobs are the only jobs that accomodate college hours? well, you CHOSE to go to college, knowing that it's going to take up time which means you may not be able to work certain hours. Its like getting a job at Mcdonalds and then complaining that you should be making $30/hour. That won't happen because that's how it is, plain and simple. Same as a serving job, you accept the fact that your pay is in the hands of the customer. PLUS your last post is flawed bc EMPLOYERS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO COMPENSATE YOUR PAY IF YOU DONT MEET THE MINIMUM RATE WITH TIPS! do people ever take this into consideration? Of course not, they never go to the employer, they always bitch and complain about the customers. You say you're were a server yet you don't know crucial information. You're own fault you were walking away with a few bucks. get the fuck out with your shit. Bob Dale:March 10, 2014 at 4:01 amDawn LaRae Jones can't smell a troll can you XD Derrick Poon:March 10, 2014 at 4:03 amDawn LaRae Jones apparently you didn't know that employers are required to make up your pay if you come out under minimum with your tips, therefore it's never an under minimum wage job unless YOU choose it to be one. Jenn Urato:March 10, 2014 at 4:04 amTia lady has no life, she's just gonna keep going and going. I ended up blocking her trashy ass Bc she's a freak... Jenn Urato:March 10, 2014 at 4:04 am*this Bob Dale:March 10, 2014 at 4:05 amDawn LaRae Jones oh did I post "dumb gering"? sorry, i meant "nigger" Dawn LaRae Jones:March 10, 2014 at 4:08 amBob Dale Well, as i told that other dude up there, i was practically fighting with my boss "just to get my just compensation". so i actually WAS one of those that knew my rights to compensation. but how about it would take MONTHS just for them to recomp me up to minimum wage because my boss would take his dear sweet time as would the upper level management? By the time corporate looked into my case and that that i'd made for my coworkers who were in the same predicament, many months had gone by. That means accumulated bills and dependence on family and boyfriends for support on the part of my coworkers. Hence why, yes, most servers just chuck it up as a loss but that is not RIGHT. if i work just as hard as you, what you're telling me is that because i know the nature of my job is exploitative i should just suck it up and deal? No, that's not fair to those who come AFTER me, who have to suck up to the same tired labor for LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE, which is their proper due. Of course i know about the mimimum wage recomp thing, but many employers find ways out of it including firing their employees who complain. I have heard of this going on. But someone should fight for justice and equality of pay. Clearly you don't care because this seems to not affect you, but i care for those who are taken advantage of. and please don't start a name-calling, insult war. I've been respectful towards you so you can at least accord me the same measure. Marty Nachel:February 25, 2013 at 8:20 pmThe real and sad truth about the practice of tipping is that the restaurateurs have, in essence, obligated their customers to pay their establishments' wait staff wages. Where tipping used to be an option based on quality of service, it's now practically mandatory because the restaurateurs have made it so that wait persons rely heavily on tips for their wages. My resentment at having to pay tips is not aimed at the wait staff, but at the cheap ass owners who refuse to pay a decent wage. This is why I don't out to eat often... but when I do, I tip generously. Joseph Tucker:February 25, 2013 at 8:24 pmSo true. Wage slavery is different than real slavery in that things like food, shelter, health care and clothing are now costs passed on to the taxpayer instead of paid for by the employer. Ryan Appel:February 25, 2013 at 8:25 pmMarty, we don't often see eye to eye, but I agree with you 100% on this one! Stefanie Dillon:February 25, 2013 at 9:37 pmmarty would you prefer that the resteraunts charged you much more for your meals? do you realize how much more your meal would be? at least now you have the option to tip poorly if the service was poor, and great if the service deserved it Lorie Harris Gaut:February 25, 2013 at 9:45 pmAn it dont help thats fucking oprah whinfrey says to america thats its ok to tip 10% or not at all...fucku bitch u live off of $2.13 an hr Jamie Young:February 25, 2013 at 10:30 pmMarty, if you disagree with the policy, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stay home. You're not only stealing money from me by not tipping, you're stealing money from me by occupying a table. I would rather give a PAYING guest my excellent service. Tim Schafer:February 25, 2013 at 10:35 pmIt is only fair to TIP appropriately. If there is a problem discuss it with the management. We would have to charge more to compensate. I have only had one problem in over 25 years. My staff is always proffessional and courteous. I never pay 2.13 I pay more for well trained, seasoned staff! There is alot of crappy servers out there that only serve because it is "easy" cash and that makes us pros look bad. Marty Nachel:February 25, 2013 at 10:35 pmI would prefer that the restaurants go out of business for playing that card. I don't frequent them anyway. Marty Nachel:February 25, 2013 at 10:51 pmJamie Young: who says I don't tip? I actually tip quite generously. But I disagree with the concept of tipping being a "policy." Marty Nachel:February 25, 2013 at 10:53 pmJamie Young: No, your employer is cheating you out of a decent wage, then he expects his customers to make up for his cheap assery. BL Harris:February 26, 2013 at 12:53 amStefanie Erschen: that is b.s....and frankly, sounds like a tea pooper mindset....the real issue here is many restaurants do not pay a living wage because they do not want to cut in on the PROFITS made by the owner...there is no other reason. it's the EXACT same situation as wallyworld NOT paying a living wage so that many of their workers Have to get welfare...thereby, once again, regular citizens having to cover what is essentially pure profit for a family that already has too much money.... Barbara Searles Gregorek:February 26, 2013 at 1:00 amMarty you are so right. We need to speak with our feet and our butts, don't go to restaurants who don't treat their staff fairly, you wouldn't go to any other business that abused it's employees if you knew about it. People need to take responsibility for what they can, not for what others refuse to, in this case, honor establishments who do the right thing and tip for good service. Don't honor establishments that don't pay their staff a working wage and don't feel obligated to tip for bad service.! Kyle Bauman:February 26, 2013 at 3:32 amIf servers made a decent wage then there is no incentive for you to get good service or any at all for that matter. And you would be paying twice as much for your meal. So what's the greater evil. 20% and good service. Or shitty service and double the price. John J. Paul:February 26, 2013 at 4:51 amI've got some bad news. People open up restaurants because they want to make a profit. Jamie Young:February 26, 2013 at 5:40 pmUnfortunately, if you refused to go to restaurants that didn't pay a livable minimum wage, you would quickly find yourselves eating at Taco Bell and Burger King. Because those are the only "restaurants" that do. DavieandDanielle Budden:July 26, 2013 at 1:16 amBut dont you understand if they paid a liveable wage then your meal would cost alot more than 20% more. The cost of dinner would go up 75% so its cheaper to just tip.They are helping keep the cost of eating out low. Joanne Coffelt Fowler:February 25, 2013 at 3:10 pmMaybe we should go back to original meaning of "TIP" (To Insure Promptness)......because I bet, that if the non tippers had to tip prior to the meal, they would understand good service vs bad service.......we work hard and 99% of us are great at our jobs......wonder what these people would do if their bosses came to them, with a project that they put their all in and then, as an after thought, the boss says, "Oh by the way, you will not be paid for this great job." Dean Pogatchnik:February 25, 2013 at 7:02 pmIt was originally paid to the axeman who was going to behead you, not to waiters and waitresses. In many other places, tipping doesn't exist. The EMPLOYERS pay a fair wage. Now we are expected to pay for the food, taxes, and an extra 20% that the restaraunt doesn't feel like paying. Gavin Bowerman:February 25, 2013 at 9:48 pmStill not the waitstaff's fault though. Barbara Searles Gregorek:February 26, 2013 at 12:42 amI think waitstaff should be paid at least minimum wage, no employer should be able to bypass that in our economy! Then tipping should be based on the service provided. Unfortunately I've had bad servers and sorry they don't deserve any tip other than a note which reminds them they are there to wait on the tables not socialize with their friends or fool around with their co=workers while ignoring the customers. Good Service in ANY JOB should be acknowledged and Tips are also for the maids who clean the room you stay in on vacation, bus boys, doormen, taxi drivers, etc. Many people do not tip except in restaurants but expect service many many other places where the staff are paid minimum wage only. Be real people if you can afford to go on vacation, leave a little money for the people who pick up after you and make your bed, open your doors, etc. But the staff need to do their jobs too and realize the tip is for doing it well or doing something exceptional, it is not OWED!! Joanne Coffelt Fowler:February 26, 2013 at 4:12 amIn Europe, the tip is already added into your bill and a few of your finer restaurants are begining to think in those terms also because they are unable to keep GOOD help............and noblemen would pay (tip) "servers" so they would get the freshes vegetables and best meat...... Rudi Bracaglia:February 26, 2013 at 11:56 amMinimum wage is not the issue. I understand that in order to function, businesses cannot afford to pay the official minimum wage to such low end positions such as serving. HOWEVER. I find it absurd and infuriating that I am also responsible for the tips of busboys, bartenders, and "food runners". Big chunks of what I earned go out to the other workers in the restaurant to the point where they typically make 3x what I make and I am the one fueling the entire system. Restaurants can certainly afford to hire 5 - 10 people at a slightly higher hourly wage so that half of the money I earn is not taken from me. Steve Burant:February 26, 2013 at 2:18 pm@Dean, and if employers started paying a "fair wage," food prices would go WAY up and you'd still be paying more anyway. Liz Stegman:February 26, 2013 at 4:10 pmDean Pogatchnik - you should never go to a restaurant unless it's McDonald's or partake in any other services that rely on tips. Do it all yourself pal. Helen Valentino:February 26, 2013 at 7:10 pmDean Pogatchnik Time to brown bag it then! Isn't it nice to not have to cook a hot meal for yourself, or get up from the table to go get it, or wash the dishes and glasses or clean up the napkins and crumbs you left all over? When we dine outside our homes, we are paying, essentially for people to baby us, (except for the chin wiping, maybe), and yet we feel put out by throwing a few extra dollars to the person who was helping us achieve our gastrinomic goal. Tipping is a part of the experience, as a whole, and "we" should feel more grateful in general that we have the privilege of dining out at all! Peanut butter and jelly anyone? ;) Cheyenne Hazard:February 27, 2013 at 3:58 amLol... That's not what tip actually means. Cute though. Barbie Dale:February 27, 2013 at 5:09 amI disagree with 'promptness" as you cannont insure the cook's will be on the ball at all times..however so many customers tip on how the food tastes & how long it takes, which is not the waitstaff's issue's.. Seba Shtonki:February 27, 2013 at 3:45 pmFirst off, if you're going to make up backronyms at least have the decency to spell the words in it properly. The idea to tip a server prior to service kind of defeats the purpose of tipping all together since the amount tipped is meant to be in proportion to the quality of the service which was rendered. Second of all if you're going to make an argument pertaining to wage policies you ought to either read up on minimum wage laws or move to a country which has them. Employers are required to pay their employees minimum wage regardless of whether they receive tips or not. Some countries or states allow for tips to be included towards the minimum wage, but should the employee receive no tips the employer must pay the difference. The analogy for paying for the project is equally inapt for the same reason. As for the picture: I have already explained why the footnote is misleading. I must however disagree with the conclusion that not tipping makes you a 'cheap piece of shit'. I pay the restaurant to perform a service, which includes making and serving me food. The fact that my meal costs less that it otherwise would because the restaurant can pay its staff less than it by law has to because it expects me to make up the difference doesn't mean I have an obligation to do so. If no one tipped then there would be no exceptions to the minimum wage laws and there would be no such issue for waiters and the likes. All in all a misleading clusterfuck of ad hominem attacks and poor reasoning, 0/10 wouldn't read again. April Yoder:February 28, 2013 at 5:13 pmThen maybe you should just eat at home and cook your own meal, you won't have to worry about a tip.. Mark Littlecrown:March 12, 2013 at 11:17 pmDean, that is not an "extra 20%" that the restaurant isn't paying - if they raised the wage of their servers, that would be about how much the price of the menu items would go up to make for the difference. Add to that the fact that it would also mean the servers wouldn't have the same incentive to be prompt and kiss your arse, resulting in you paying the same amount as you did before but receiving lower quality service without the option of tipping accordingly. Tiffany Diffey:April 15, 2013 at 3:53 pmhttp://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/tip.asp Joan Tunstall:May 15, 2013 at 6:25 amNot the customers fault either Leila Ghauri:May 17, 2013 at 3:44 pmThat is a little ridiculous. Employers SHOULD be paying ALL their workers minimum wage at the very least and the tip (gratuity) should just be.. well, a tip that we can give depending on how we enjoyed the service, as little or as much as we see fit. It's true.. we pay for the food, taxes (13% here in Canada), AND whatever percentage tip the restaurant or place has. I understand that people are trying to meet ends meet, because.. well we ALL Are but why should the customer be responsible for giving the employee their basic wages THROUGH the tips.. That's the employer's job.. and that is why we call it a salary. June 10, 2013 at 6:03 amGavin Bowerman And it's not my problem, either. Little whiny shits think the world owes them something. News flash: no one owes you anything. "Rights" are mythological, you get what you get; if you don't like it, tough. I don't exist for anyone else's well-being. My wallet is not for charity. June 10, 2013 at 6:03 amBarbara Searles Gregorek Minimum wage creates unemployment, fucking idiot. Rachael Mizzer:November 16, 2013 at 12:54 amAs I understand it, we are not talking about compensation and wages. We are talking about gratuities. Most jobs have a set salary or wage and are not compensated based on performance alone so your point doesn't make sense. Joanne Coffelt Fowler:November 16, 2013 at 4:11 amDean....these are what I found about "TIP(s)..... Folk etymology claims that "tip" is an acronym for "to insure promptness." In fact, it comes from British Rogue's cant for "to give" and entered the popular vernacular in its modern sense as early as 1610. ! - Apparently the plural of the word “tip” (as in the amount of money given to someone, such as a waiter, in return for service) was coined in an English coffee house in 1652. A sign reading “To Insure Prompt Service” (TIPS) was placed by a tin cup at its entrance. The customers who desired faster service and a better seat, would put a coin into this cup by the TIPS sign. I never saw reference to axeman....... Florence Lambert:November 27, 2013 at 8:10 pmComparing a project being done for no pay and not tipping is ridiculous. Wait staff is PAID. It is NOT up to the public to compensate ANYONE for lack of good wages. Get a grip. Joanne Coffelt Fowler:November 27, 2013 at 8:50 pmFlorence Lambert so tell me.....how do you react when you get bad service?? or are made to wait??? I am guessing you are one of the first to complain! Also, would you be willing to pay $40 for a $20 meal, in order for the restaurant to pay better wages??? Basically, people wouldn't be able to afford to go out to eat if servers are paid better wages, instead on having the public compensate them! or they can all just go to buffet style and people like you can get up and get your own food and drink..... Arcenia Anzaldua:July 1, 2013 at 5:50 amI DO NOT TIP...if I ever did it was $1 or $2. My brother has been a server for years now and disagrees with me completely. I will get up from my table and gladly get my plate of food from the cooks and refill my drink throughout my meal. DINING EXPERIENCE? WHAT? What does that even mean. I go to a restaurant because I don't feel like cooking NOT for the " DINING EXPERIENCE". I don't feel sorry for anybody in the restaurant industry and I refuse to say SORRY for your low minimum wage. I have never been a server and never will be because I don't want to depend on TIPS for a living. Simple as that. I'm tired of ppl. saying IF YOU DON'T TIP, STAY HOME!-PURE IGNORANCE. WHO ARE U TO TELL SOMEBODY THAT THEY HAVE TO TIP, REALLY? It's my money and it's your choice to work for a place that does not pay hourly for whatever reason. SOME ppl. stick up for servers because they think it makes them look good. There are billions of people in sweatshops around the world, kids being sold in prostitution rings, women being forced to smuggle drugs known as MULAS, ETC...THOSE PPL I FEEL SORRY FOR. Not SERVERS crying about a low minimum wage and a person who refuses to tip "ME". Keep on working hard and find a better paying job or follow your dreams. If your goal in life is to be in the restaurant industry then good for you, but don't pass down judgment on ppl. like ME.